RINGING ROUND DEVON is the quarterly newsletter of The Guild of Devonshire Ringers, and is circulated free to all affiliated towers.
Any individual members who wish to subscribe should contact Lester Yeo. The cost is two pounds and fifty pence for four issues (cheques made payable to Guild of Devonshire Ringers). It is also available on line on the Guild's website at http://www.exeter.ac.uk/gdr/ .
Any comments and inaccuracies in articles contained in this newsletter are the responsibility of the individual contributors, and the opinions expressed do not necessarily represent those of the Guild.
Items for inclusion may be sent to email@example.com .
A large print edition is available from the editor.
The Queen's visit to Exeter at the start of her Golden Jubilee Tour of the country included a visit to Exeter Cathedral to watch a show by local children entitled "Impressions of Devon". As the Queen emerged from the Cathedral after the performance there was a fanfare immediately followed by the ringing of the Cathedral bells.
The ringers had arrived some hours before, most by 4.30pm, to allow time for security checks and then to raise the bells. They then had the best view of all watching over the crowds below from the parapet at the top of the west front. Eventually by 7pm it was time to ring and a successful long-length quarter peal was rung so that the bells would still be ringing as the Queen returned through the centre of Exeter to St David's station.
Following the twenty-fifth anniversary of the Queen's reign in 1977, an extra treble had been added to the Cathedral bells, to make a light ten. Therefore it was fitting that the official peal for the Queen's Jubilee should be rung on the 'Jubilee ten'. On the Saturday of the weekend of celebrations, Matthew Hilling called a specially composed peal of Spliced Royal, a combination of Yorkshire and Little Bob, to make the required number of changes for the occasion. Once more additional security was in place - this time for a military service later that afternoon -- and the ringers were half expecting to be searched for concealed weapons while ringing the peal! Other peals rung for the Jubilee were at Witheridge, Kingsteignton, Broadhembury and Plymouth Emmanuel.
Exeter Cathedral Wed 1 May 2002 1709 Stedman Cinques in 1 hour 27 mins 1 Howard Egglestone 2 Sue Sawyer 3 Wendy Campbell 4 Peter Bill 5 John Hill 6 Lester Yeo 7 Pauline Champion 8 Ian Campbell 9 Matthew Hilling (C&C) 10 Andrew Nicholson 11 Michael Mears 12 Ian Avery
Cathedral ringers enjoy a rooftop view of the Queen's visit to Devon on Wednesday 1 May
Emmanuel Church, Plymouth, was host to 500 primary school children during May in a new initiative by local head teacher Tim Lyddon. With the support of the Exeter Diocesan Board of Education, Plymouth LEA and SACRE, the church offered its building and expertise as resources to meet the schools' Religious Education curriculum.
Various aspects of church life were explored, focusing on Baptism, Saints, Hand-bells, Architecture, Art and the Bible. Appropriately the hand-bell sessions were held in the belfry, the spiral staircase adding greatly to the excitement of the children. Barbara Loveys, retired head teacher from Farway in Devon, and Roy Hammond from Plymouth had been allocated to the "Bells" sessions and had researched their subject well. Barbara had been with us on practice nights since Easter.
The hand-bells used were those belonging to St Budeaux Church, who most generously loan them to their local primary school on demand. The bells, in G, had just been cleaned and restored by Geoff Hill of Lamerton. The cotton practice gloves were donated by Nigel Amhurst of Staverton and helped to keep some of the little fingers off the bell metal. Using an octave, all the children were taught to ring Rounds, Queens and Tittums, with one group even managing Whittingtons... They were told about our 8 bells, their casting, weights and inscriptions. They were also told about what they could see in the ringing chamber, the ropes (hoisted close to our 20ft ceiling), the peal boards, photographs and trapdoor through which we see the brides arrive, and through which someone once dropped their false teeth, according to Jack Sims.
Many of the children had never been inside a church before and this initiative provided the church with an opportunity to be more involved in the local community and to share its heritage with those with whom we might not otherwise meet. The positive feedback from the schools suggests that this successful initiative will be repeated.
P.S. Barbara is now learning to ring.
Two peals rung in Jubilee week have been accredited to a new association, the Devonshire Society. This a society intended purely for the purpose of ringing peals, when the band is such that it does not qualify for the Guild, but represents a genuine local effort.
Accordingly, and distinct from 'non-association' peals, a peal fee is payable and will be donated to the BRF. The Society is not meant to be a 'flag of convenience' so the rules are deliberately restrictive: 1. The peal must be rung in the county of Devon 2. At least half the band must have been either born in the County of Devon (including the City and County of the City of Exeter) or resident in the county for a period of ten years immediately preceding the peal. 3. There is a peal fee, equivalent to that of the Guild of Devonshire Ringers, which will be donated to the Devon Church Bell Restoration Fund.
RRD notes the deaths of Victor Chown of Feniton and Laurie Neal of Halberton since the last issue. Laurie was captain at Halberton and died on 3 April. Victor was aged 92, and rang a quarter peal for his 90th birthday in 2000 (see RRD38). He taught many of the band at Feniton.
TIMETABLE FOR THE DAY
12.00-1.00 Open Ringing at Plympton St Mary
1.00-1.30 Registration at Old Priory Junior School, The Ridgeway, Plympton (next door to Plympton St Mary's Church)
1.30-2.00 Guest speaker: James Clarke (Guild Bells Adviser)
2.00-3.15 Guild Annual Meeting
(Nominations for Guild offices may be made in advance, in writing to the General Secretary, indicating proposer and seconder and the candidate's willingness to stand. Further nominations may be made from the floor of the meeting, as must all proposals for the Guild Master).
3.30-5.15 Afternoon Workshops
Members wishing to register for these workshops should let the Education Officer or the General Secretary know. Application forms available from Branch Secretaries.
5.45-6.30 Ringers' Service of Prayer and Praise at Plymouth St Andrew
6.45-7.45 Evening meal, followed by open ringing at St Andrew's
Supper tickets £5.50 from Fergus Stracey (address in Guild report) Please enclose a 9x4 stamped addressed envelope and make cheques / postal orders payable to 'St Andrew's Church Bell Ringers'.
APPLICATIONS FOR TICKETS BY 24th JUNE PLEASE
PLAIN HUNT. For those at the early stages of method ringing. You will need to know the theory of plain hunt, and practice will be given in plain hunt only, or plain hunting the treble to a method, for example Plain Bob Doubles. Unless specifically requested this will be done on five bells with a cover.
PLAIN BOB DOUBLES. Ideal for the ringer who is needing extra practice with Plain Bob Doubles inside. This can be plain courses or touches as required. Students should have a theoretical knowledge of the stage to be undertaken.
MINOR METHODS. Minor methods up to Cambridge Surprise: for example Plain Bob, Little Bob, Kent Treble Bob, Cambridge Surprise. This is an opportunity for practice in the basic Minor methods. Students should know the lines of the methods they would like to ring.
TRIPLES METHODS. This is an opportunity to practise the basic Triples methods: for example Grandsire, Single Oxford and Stedman. Students should have learnt the line of the method they want to ring. There will be an opportunity to ring touches if required.
SURPRISE MAJOR. An opportunity to practise the standard eight Surprise Major methods. Learn the blue line of a method you would like to ring and come and try it out with an experienced band.
CONDUCTING. This interactive seminar is designed for those who are looking to move into the realms of calling and conducting methods. It contains theory sessions interspersed with paper exercises, but will not have any practical ringing sessions.
TOWER MAINTENANCE. Nobody willing or able at your tower to undertake those very necessary regular maintenance jobs? James Clarke will show you what needs doing! We hope to go to two towers, one with a wooden frame and the other with a metal frame and see what's required to keep your bells in tip-top condition.
TUNE RINGING ON HANDBELLS. We hope to run a workshop on tune ringing with George and Doreen Mudge, and this will be ideal for anyone, regardless of their knowledge or experience.
"(Cambridge Major) is characterised by at least one glaring fault. We refer to the fact that when the treble is in 3,4 up... no less than four places are simultaneously made. To say that this forms a blotch on its escutcheon is far to mild a term - it is, or should be regarded, as a bar sinister of an extreme type. It may be fairly said that twice in every lead the even flow of the changes has to struggle for its life against a strangling grip that almost suffocates it."
Charles Davies in Surprise Methods (1927)
Andrew Digby learnt to ring whilst at Warwick University. When he graduated he returned to his home village of Newton St Cyres and joined the local band. The ringers at Newton St Cyres now are call-change ringers, and Andrew wanted to further his method ringing. He started coming to St Mark's in Exeter, and then also to Heavitree, getting as much practice as possible!
Andrew has now been ringing in Exeter for a couple of years, and he has made good progress, being able to ring five of the standard surprise major methods. But when it came to ringing his first peal, something that didn't require quite so much concentration was thought easiest. So, on Saturday morning 16 March, eight people gathered at St Mark's church and after 2 hours and 49 minutes of good ringing, the peal ran round. Andrew should be congratulated on a fine effort.
Guild of Devonshire Ringers Exeter, Devon, S Mark Saturday 16 March 2002 in 2h 49 (12cwt) 5040 Grandsire Triples Comp: J J Parker 1 Michael R Rose 2 Anthony G Osborne 3 Andrew P Digby 4 Richard C Shere 5 John Hill 6 Ian L C Campbell 7 Matthew J Hilling (C) 8 P Wendy Campbell First peal: 3. Circled tower: 8.
Spreading its net even wider, the Three Ts is attracting increasing numbers of ringers to its monthly meetings.
"We now have regular support from Wiltshire, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall" says organiser Don Lawson.
The proven format remains unchanged, with a heavy emphasis on extended lunchtime socialising - the hubbub of chat is often quite deafening! Ringers for some unknown reason always have a never-ending supply of new and interesting badinage - even though it only a month since the last get-together!
The repertoire of methods has now extended to basic surprise in both major and minor - a very pleasing development.
As a group, they are and always will be able and happy to ring call changes for those who wish to do. Don says, Please come along and join us, you will be made most welcome and we are sure you will enjoy your day.'
The five bells peal at Cold Aston in Gloucester is being rehung in a new cast iron frame with all new fittings, headstocks, bearing, wheels etc. The old seventeenth century frame will be left in situ, with the bells hung below.
The work on the bells, one of the last unringable towers in the Cotswolds, is being carried out by Bellhanger Peter Bazley of Tavistock. The bells have not been rung for over sixty years.
It was hoped to install the bells at the end of April, and a local band of ringers is being trained at a local tower.
The North/North-West Branch held a "Social" event at the end of March just over the border at Kilkhampton with ringing before lunch in the London Inn. After lunch they journeyed down to Poughill for some ringing on that delightful six. Some exiles were welcomed back for the day and some enjoyable ringing had by all.
A quarter peal day was held on 20th. April and had some lovely ringing but unfortunately very few quarters were scored. There was some good practice had for some of our "improvers" though and so not a complete waste of time.
On 12th. May a boat-load of bird watchers from all over the county visited Lundy for the day. Stowing away were four North Devon ringers who were also aware that a party of ringers were already there for a week. When disembarking the four were greeted with the invitation to ring a quarter at 2pm. After going their separate ways until the appointed hour they gathered at the Church and a very enjoyable quarter of Yorkshire was scored.
Brugge is undoubtedly best known for its skilful lace makers the finest example being the so-called the "fairy stitch" for which 300 -700 spindles are needed. Of no lesser interest to a visiting bell ringer is the impressive 88 metre high belfry which dominates the spectacular and historical centre of this Flemish town. From almost any point within the town walls can be heard the Carillon which plays beautiful melodies automatically on the quarter of each hour. The hammers that fall on the exterior of the bells are driven by pins, stakes and levers originating from a huge copper clockwork drum weighing over 9 tonnes and being the biggest of its kind in the world.
A visit to this tower is a fascinating experience. The building underneath the tower itself originally served as a market hall and the original structure of these, together with the massive cross beams of the roof still exist. Wending one's way up the 366 steps to the final octagonal upper section of the bell chamber, one passes through several rooms including the treasure chamber and one containing the Triumphal or Victory bell which is rung out on all important occasions whether joyful or sad.
The main attraction of course is the carillon whose sound can be heard not only over the whole town but far beyond. The original purpose was to tell the time for the townspeople and workers in the fields outside the gates of the town, but the music also contributed to the joyful atmosphere at important festivities. The automatic carillon consists of 47 bells the total weight of which is 27 tonnes and the heaviest bell weighs more than 5 tonnes and its clapper 120 kgs. It comprises 4 octaves and its great fascination is the presence of a keyboard where a performance can be given by a carillonneur. The keyboard is just under the bells and is arranged for both manual and pedal operation. The appointment to carillonneur is a much-coveted position with a requirement to play up to 100 concerts annually and also to add to the repertoire of composed arrangements of music and songs.
So should you be visiting northern Belgium, take some time to enjoy this medieval town, its spectacular Belfry and an alternative but not too energetic method of producing music from bells.
Brugges Carillonneur at the keyboard
Gordon Cryer has retired after 31 years as Rector of Stoke Damerel.
One of his first tasks in the post was to preside over the declaration in 1970 that our bells were unringable. Crammed as they were, three over three in the 8ft x 11ft tower in two separate - and unstable - oak frames, and all ringing East-West, the 12 1/2 cwt 1789 Bilbie six were always a quart in a pint pot. It was not until 1977 that Gordon was able to assist his predecessor as Rector of Stoke - then Bishop of Truro - Maurice Key in the dedication of the "new" bells (25 years old this year!)
The story of the bells puts into perspective the length of Gordon's service. He has been a friend of ringers and ringing in our area for three decades. We thank him for it, and wish him and Val a long and happy retirement in the "foreign country" to be found on the far side of the Tamar bridge.
Norman Mallett has sent this photograph of what he says is the latest mini-ring in the South West Branch!
A novice competition is to be held at Brixton in memory of Wilf Edworthy who rang in Plymouth for some 60 years. The competition, on Saturday 26 October, will consist of two sections:
Section 1 will be round ringing only (off the stays) for eight minutes, the first minute to be a practice. All competing teams will receive a certificate. The draw for this section is to take place at 13:00, and the result should be announced at approximately 14:00.
Section 2 will start at approximately 14:00. Teams will be expected to ring half of the Devon Peal (off the stays) known as 60 on thirds; either the front half or the back half will be acceptable. The teams will be allowed one minute of practice before judging starts, and teams will be expected to have completed the test piece within ten minutes. The winning team will be awarded the Wilf Edworthy Memorial shield, and all teams will receive a certificate.
The judges' decision is final. Any team seen in the opinion of the organisers to be breaking the novice criteria will be asked not to compete.
In addition, there are three open towers available on the day: Holbeton, Plympton St Mary, and Yealmpton. Anyone wishing to visit these towers please see the organisers on the day. St Mary's Brixton is open for practice up to one month before the competition.
There is a small parking area in front of the church and a large car park within easy walking distance. Refreshments will be provided at a small cost. The entry fee is £2 per section per team. Please contact B. Meek to book a place on 01752 406317
Sunday 26th June saw the first peal on the restored bells of St Andrew's Plymouth. This was the third attempt for the peal and we acknowledge the assistance of those who stood in the unsuccessful attempts. The composition was an old style one to reflect the types used by our ancestors.
The peal was rung to remember Lydia Chapman, who sadly died after a long battle against leukaemia. Lydia had learnt to ring before her illness and took part in the sponsored walk, newspaper collection and a number of other fund raising activities. She also saw the bells being lowered and sent to Whitechapel. It was appropriate that over the weekend of the peal Heather, Lydia's mother, was taking part in a sponsored climb of three volcanoes in aid of CLIK. Heather raised over £4000 in sponsorship. Our thoughts are with Heather & her family.
Guild of Devonshire Ringers Plymouth, Devon (St Andrew) On Sunday 26 May 2002 in 3hours 15minutes (31)
5039 Grandsire Caters (composed by D A Frith)
1. Kevin I Morris 2. Ruth E Reeves 3. Dominic H Beer 4. John C Mitchelmore 5. John F Steere 6. Alena J Wardle 7. Christopher H Wardle 8. John M Body 9. Fergus M S Stracey (c) 10.Richard Stevens 1st Peal - 1; 1st on 10 - 3 1st peal on the restored bells In memory of Lydia Chapman aged 10
Welcome to the first edition of Devon Ringers' Interchange, which will be a regular supplement to the Association and Guild newsletters, reflecting and supporting the co-operation between the two societies. It will contain news of the Devon Ringers' Council, under whose authority it is published, but also contain information from the Devon Church Bell Restoration Fund, and other items of interest to both method and call change ringers. The co-editors hope that it will be an opportunity for some real interchange between the two traditions in Devon ringing, which are both 'into changes', whether call-changes or scientific.
Any comments and inaccuracies in articles are the responsibility of individual contributors, and the opinions expressed do not necessary represent those of the Ringers' Council or the two societies.
Items for inclusion may be sent to firstname.lastname@example.org or by post either to Jonathan Bint or to Lester Yeo.
Wendy and Bill Young with the Revd Paul Hockey and Bishop Richard after the dedication
The restored bells of St Peter's, Fremington, were dedicated on Sunday 16 June by the Bishop of Crediton. This represents the culmination of five year's hard work by the parish, especially by Bill and Wendy Young, and much of the structural work was done by Bill, including the construction of a magnificent new exterior door, made from the timber of the old wooden frame.
Fremington bells were augmented to six to celebrate the Jubilee of Queen Victoria, cast by Taylor's, and hung by Harry Stokes of Woodbury. In order to make room for the additional bells, the width of the tower walls in the bell chamber was reduced, and the bells were dedicated on 8 October 1890. The Vicar wrote, "Miss Yeo kindly headed the subscription list with £50, and through the instrumentality of a good working committee, money comes in so pleasantly that instead of being encumbered now, as I quite expected, with a considerable deficiency, we have paid nearly all our bills, and I believe there will be no debt at all. The work will be completed without borrowing a farthing."
In this Jubilee year, the bells have been lowered in the tower, and hung on two levels in a metal frame. In order to remove the bells for retuning by Hayward Mills, the blocked-up doorway into the churchyard had to be opened up, and a bridge will need to be constructed across a gulley. Vice Captain John McKee said, "We have managed to rustle up six ringers" and so the nucleus of the team was already in existence, and has been ringing for Sunday service since May. Twelve people have already expressed an interest in learning to ring, and the first bride and groom to be greeted with bells for over thirty years were married the weekend before the dedication.
The church celebrated a Flower festival over the dedication weekend, with visiting ringers from Mortehoe, Heanton, Marwood, Tawstock, West Down and Appledore. Practice night is on Tuesdays, and visitors will be most welcome, but until more ringers are trained, Sunday ringing will only be alternate weeks.
Thanks to the hard work of the fund raising committees and the generosity of parishioners and friends, including one donor who gave £5000, the project has been completed and entirely paid for by money from the fund raising events, voluntary donations, and grants from the DCBRF and other trusts. Wendy Young said, "We enjoy doing church work - it gives us a lift!".
The new door into the ringing chamber, made from the oak of the old frame.
The Devon Ringers' Council has approved to move forward in producing a compact disc, reflecting ringing in Devon. A small working party is meeting this month to produce an action plan, looking at what towers might be included, what ringing, and indeed what else! The sound of a church-full of ringers lustily singing the Association hymn is so redolent of ringing in this part of the country.
There would appear to be a market for bellringing recordings beyond merely ringers, and it has been suggested that the disc could be sold in souvenir shops and religious booksellers. Many method ringers from elsewhere will also be interested to hear some top-class Devon style call-change ringing! Any profit made would be given to the Devon Church Bell Restoration Fund
The August Bank Holiday weekend could be a busy time for Devon ringers, as the National Six bell Competition is due to take place at Drewsteignton on the Saturday (24 August), and there will be an open day on the Monday, with many towers around the moor open for ringers to come and 'grab'. The organiser of the competition, David Trist, had to cancel last year's competition, but it is hoped that a number of teams from up-country will want to come and attempt to ring Devon-style.
David says, "We are inviting Devon teams to enter to represent the County. Please forward your entries to David Trist, email@example.com as soon as possible. If we have too many entrants we may hold a qualifying event so please let David know as soon as you can if you are interested in entering.
"In addition to your own entries, we would be grateful if you could spread the word to teams from other Counties. The normal Devon rules will apply such as closed handstroke leads and rising and falling and ringing the 60's in not less than 15 minutes. We would like to make this as "international" as possible but we need your help to do this."
Below is the draft itinerary for the open day in aid of the Devon Church Bells Restoration Fund, on the Monday. Individual ringers and complete bands are welcome to come and ring at any of the below towers for a small donation to the fund.
09.00 - 10.00 Ide 6 8cwt 09.30 - 10.30 Tedburn St Mary 6 10cwt 10.00 - 11.00 Cheriton Bishop * 6 14cwt 10.30 - 11.30 Drewsteignton 6 13cwt 11.00 - 12.00 South Tawton 6 11cwt 11.30 - 12.30 Belstone 6 5cwt 12.00 - 13.00 Okehampton 8 16cwt 12.30 - 13.30 Sourton 5 7cwt 12.45 - 13.45 Bridestowe 6 13cwt 13.00 - 14.00 Lydford 6 8cwt 13.15 - 14.15 Brentor 5 5cwt 13.30 - 14.30 Lamerton 6 11cwt 13.45 - 14.45 Mary Tavy 5 11cwt 14.00 - 15.20 Tavistock 10 24cwt 14.30 - 15.30 Whitchurch 6 11cwt 15.00 - 16.00 Buckland Monachorum 8 15cwt 15.30 - 16.30 Sheepstor 6 9cwt 16.00 - 17.00 Meavy 6 7cwt 16.30 - 17.30 Bickleigh 6 9cwt 17.00 - 18.00 Tamerton Foliot 6 11cwt 17.30 - 18.30 Egg Buckland * 6 10cwt 18.00 - 19.00 Plympton St Mary 8 25cwt 18.30 - 19.30 Cornwood 6 9cwt 19.00 - 20.00 South Brent 6 13cwt 19.30 - 20.30 Ashburton 8 21cwt
* to be confirmed
A £1 donation per person for the BRF is asked at each tower, although day tickets (at a cheaper rate pro rata) will be available. Full details from Wendy Campbell: firstname.lastname@example.org).
The Devon Church Bell Restoration Fund was started in February 1974 and in 1978 became a registered charity with the object of providing grants to 'churches in the County of Devon and Diocese of Exeter for the purpose of maintaining and improving their bell installations'.
From the start, the Fund has been administered by a joint committee of members appointed (in equal numbers) from the Guild of Devonshire Ringers and the Devon Association of Church Bellringers, under the chairmanship of the Diocesan Adviser on Bells and Belfries - then, as now, Preb. John Scott. On the original committee in 1974, Jack Hine, Derek Jewell and Tom Wright were the Association members, while Frank Mack, Charles Sangwin and Bill Webb represented the Guild. The committee members today are Jereme Darke, David Trout and Mervyn Phillips, from the Association, and Bryan Coles, Mary Mears and Bob Southwood, from the Guild.
The first DCBRF grants were awarded to Slapton (£25), Burlescombe (£50), Warkleigh (£75), Woolsery (£75) and Filleigh (£25), and since 1974, over 170 further grants have been paid, totalling over £55,000. Grants paid over the last five years have averaged about £550 each compared with less that £100 in the early years. Bell restoration certainly isn't getting any cheaper but at present we normally aim to contribute about 10% of the cost, depending on the amount of money in the Fund and existing commitments.
Most work required to restore or keep in active use church bells in Devon will be eligible for consideration for a grant but there two major exceptions. First, grants will not be awarded for the purchase of new ropes or to cover some other expenses relating to routine maintenance or 'running costs'. Second, it is not the purpose of the DCBRF to fund augmentations - for example, the grant paid to Farway in 2002 related to the restoration of the existing three, not the addition of the three new bells to make six.
Towers wishing to apply for a grant should fill in an application form (available from the Secretary, address below). Applications are considered and awards made at our six-monthly committee meetings - the next two will be held in October 2002 and March 2003. All restoration work must be inspected on completion by a diocesan bell adviser or member of the committee and judged satisfactory before any grant awarded is paid.
None of the Fund's work would be possible, however, without the donations received from 'official' Guild and Association fund-raising, from Deanery and Branch activities, as well as individuals. Apart from interest on our deposit and current accounts (particularly low at the moment), we depend on the generosity of donors for our income and thus the size of the grants we can award. All contributions are therefore most gratefully received. If you have any (practical!) ideas for fund-raising do pass them on to the Secretary or other member of the committee. Mary Mears, Secretary/Treasurer DCBRF email@example.com
The Ringers' Council is planning to set up its own website, which could provide contact details for all towers within the county. It is hoped to set up a network of correspondents, who will keep the details up to date, much as was created for the production of the Devon Bellringers' Handbook ten years ago, and for the Ring in 2000 celebrations. A paper copy of the details would also be available for those without internet access. Data protection legislation means that all tower correspondents would need to give their consent for their details to be made available in this way.
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